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Hi 3Bals, Yes, understand perfectly your idea, and believe me. Big considerations have been taken into account while deciding on removing those 6 airfields. Final thoughts were; POH has originally 139 airfields, so 6 out will not mean big degrading in any military actions or campaign, besides that, all these 6 airfiles are located very far from any war scenario (gibraltar entrance and north africa coast), I mean at least 400NM from that possible war front. That's why opted by eliminating them... As one side note, Have done some minor revision to item 6) as it was not very clear. Also this item is about something that was greatly developed for the new BMS 4.34 version. The good news here are, now we can use both Tacan bands (X and Y) for ground stations... so, this means alot more TCN channels (252, before 126) can be implemented, and that means less fake channels are needed to be used... wohaaaa...

Gentlmen, Have reviewed whole first post. Now theres a full but summarized description of what I wanted to implement in POH_201VFS. Anyway, added this line to that post; "As you will notice, if read the whole texting , all changing proposals will only benefit POH official version, so I still keep this dream of seeing them reflected in one future version of POH. Need also to say that this would be the perfect time to invest some efforts about "my dream" . Whole theater is about to be revised and re-adapted to the new BMS version, so why not take this chance to throw the cards to the table again and check my future." Cheers.

Thanks Sniper for your support. In fact we are already testing one beta release for the 4.33... Can share with you if you want. Was about to publish here after beta-testing but now will have to collaborate in the adaptations to 4.34... and only after that will be released the next version. Or if by a miracle chance it all will be integrated in official POH...

Hey all, This new BMS version adaptations could mean an opportunity to see implemented some of my proposals implemented... They mean alot of corrections that would benefit whole POH project. What you guys say about it? Should I keep stickied to the POH_201VFS own version... or can we manage to take this opportunity and seat over table to check my propodals to integrate in official POH version and then no need for my POH version (201VFS own version). Cheers.

Copy Kafete, thanks for your input. That frequency will conflict with Gran Canaria, in POH. Has been any change in Gran Canaria freq? In falcon cannot co-exist 2 instances of same freq for TWR comms

Hey Spark, thanks for your input. Will not consider it as an airbase, that way. Got in doubts, because, latest google earth images show some cargo airplanes parked on the south side. Maybe theres a big maintenance facilities there or something like that... thou. Thank you mate.

Sevilla airport seems to me that also have a military area. Am not talking about Moron although... So will consider it also as an airbase. Do you guys agree ?

Thank you MrWell for your input. Your information seem to match my sources... About Melilla, yes, it was considered an airbase somewhere, but I had my doubts. In anycase, considered it to be in higher position for 201VFS POH version. Valencia and Reus... same. I think they are not active anymore, but they are also good points for navigation and thats why I kept them considered as airbases. All airbases in POH_201VFS, will have priority regarding Airbase type (cannot be airstripes), Tacan Channels and Comms Freqs. Cheers, and Merry Christmas.

Didn't say above but if anyone have a word about above list please feel free to comment confirming or telling if am wrong or missing any airbase in above list. Am sure there must to be here who knows which are currently the Spanish airbases

So, by the information gathered so far... final list is; ...- This is a cross information from wikipedia and [http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es] (offical website??) All comments are welcome so we can have a good understanding of what should be considered as an airbase or not in POH. Albacete Alcantarilla Armilla Burgos - not in POH, not in [http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es] listing Cuatro Vientos Getafe - new entry Gran Canaria (Gando) - not an airbase??, it is in [http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es] listing La Palma - not in [http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es] listing Lanzarote Leon - not in POH Logorno - not in POH, not in [http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es] listing Malaga Mellila - new entry, not in [http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es] listing Moron Murcia (San Javier) Palma de Mallorca (Son San Joan) Pollensa- not in POH Reus - Inactive, but considered as an airbase for POH, not in [http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es] listing Rota (Not air force, but military anyway) Salamanca Santiago Talavera Torrejon Valencia- Inactive, but considered as an airbase for POH Valladolid (Villanubla) Zaragoza

Thank you Spark. Cheers.

Hey Spark, Found first and usefull info here; http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es/EA/ejercitodelaire/en/Organization/Unit-Maps/ It seems same source as you posted. About wikipedia... not sure all is true and up to date.. Thanks anyway. Cheers.

Hey all, It seems am still confused about wich POH airfields are IRL military airfields.. So, need your help, to make it clear if possible. And thanks in advance. Here my list of Spain Military Airbases existing in POH. Please, comment this thread if am wrong about some one, or missing anyone. (I know some share military areas within general public airports, just like in Portugal, in this case we take it as Military Airbase for the theater) Albacete Armilla Alcantarilla Cuatro Vientos Gran Canaria La Palma Lanzarote Malaga Moron Murcia Palma de Mallorca Rota Reus Salamanca Santiago Talavera Torrejon Valladolid Zaragoza Thanks again, Cheers.

Forgot to mention, but in first post there is a new item (#1.3) A few airbases are very close to theater borders and will be removed in our version. France; ...- MONT MARSAN ...- ALBI LE SEQUESTRE ...- MILLAU LARZAC ...- ISTRES LE TUBE Spain; ...- MENORCA Algerie; ...- EL GOLEA Here some images:

Little review in first post. Work is going well and I think it will be ready for realease (internally) in 3/4 weeks,

Hey Spark, thank you very much for your input. About Caceres, its solved, but your source for NAV and IAPs its very usefull. Have used so far this source; https://www.rocketroute.com/airports , http://worldaerodata.com/nav/ and https://www.openaip.net/navaids . But the more, the better...

Ansering myself... Still there is Caceres NDB. Correct coords (from google earth); N39º31'28 / W006º26'05 Cheers.

Hey all, There was once an NDB close to Caceres... http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi?nav=CACERES&nav_id=CAC&nav_type=5 But it seems there isn't anymore. Have even checked those coordinates in google earth and nothing found. Only some remains from what was there before.. Can anyone confirm this information? Thank you. flyway

Nope.... 2009... 2010... Am redoing some coast tiles also in Portugal and Spain. Tejo river coast and west of Lisbon was in need of some little cosmetic review. Done already Rota naval port and Murcia san javier...

Forget to say above; Not a so big bunch of work ahead... Very quick little things to do, but many little items. Can tell here that all that work is around 50% done. Just to give you an idea. I can move an airbase with objectives and elevations in 1 min, per unit with all surroundings rebuilt.

Easy 3Balls... Idea is to have a different installation, Keeping original version also installed. Want to create a POH-201VFS internal theater. In case of joint flights with other squads, we will use original version. Cheers.

Hey all, Here is in a sumarized way (and revised as of April-25th, 2019), what our version of POH will have changed from original version. My full respect for the work from this awesome team, and its missing leader, Joe (hope everything running well for him and see him back on duty here shortly ) "As you will notice, if read the whole texting , all changing proposals will only benefit POH official version, so I still keep this dream of seeing them reflected in one future version of POH. Need also to say that this would be the perfect time to invest some efforts about "my dream" . Whole theater is about to be revised and re-adapted to the new BMS version, so why not take this chance to throw the cards to the table again and check my future". All listed items were already done for our beta-test version, but ofcourse still only compatible with BMS4.33... So, this was the stage we were at this moment. Beta-testing for minor bugs and flaws in POH_201VFS. But, BMS 4.34 came to light and all tests will stop until getting all converted, and keep testing after conversion phase. 1) Coordinates system 1.1) Origin latitude = 25.60593, instead of 25.0 ...- This way, the most airfields will match realistic Latitudes. 1.2) Longitude origin = Kept at 0.0 ...- Most airfields match already "Adapted To Realistic Longitudes" using the following math formulae 1.2.1) LON_poh = (LON_irl - LON_irl_i0) + (LAT - 34.8) / 3 + [ InCaseOf: LAT <= 39 Apply: (39 - LAT) / 5.2 OR-InCaseOf: LAT > 39 Apply: (LAT - 39) / 7.5] ...- Where LON_irl_i0 = -18.18281 (-25.18281 for Azores case - way pushed East to figure in POH) 1.3) Review all airfields positioning to get precision match to the above coordinates (by the RWY centers). ...- Yes, POH was so well done that this is possible... .D ...- Many cases here, will require also re-tilling areas nearby (taking the opportunity to make better shape of many areas/ cities regarding the tiles, mainly in Portugal) ...- Some cities, rivers, roads and bridges slightly moved for better matching IRL situations 1.4) Anyway, some airfields will show very close to theater limits, according to this coordinates re-positioning ideas. Specially talking about a few French airfields, one Algerian and one Spanish airfields; ...- Mont Marsan, Albi Le Sequestre, Millau Larzac and Istres Le Tube, from France ...- El Golea, from Algeria ...- Menorca, from Spain 1.4.1) These should be removed out of POH. They are too much close to theater border, and I mean distances like 5NM to POH border. 1.4.2) We can consider do like did about Azores and shift them to an unrealistic postition further away from POH border, thou. 1.5) I have and can give you all new RWY locations (IRL RWY center coordinates and POH RWY center coordinates) ...- So this way it will turn to an easy task the workload of locating all airbases again 2) Azores islands displacement 2.1) All grup moved somewhat to north/east ...- This way they will match realistic Latitude and Logitude (according to above math formula) 3) Airfield integrated objects 3.1) Some airfileds need some review about their objects (only talking about ILS antennas, TCN antennas, MALSR, Landing Lights and Taxy Signs) ...- Found many objects out of their IRL place, specially MALSR over RWY threshoulds... ... - Correction to the TCN antennas, many of fotorealistic airbases didn't have their own antennas 4) Elevations 4.1) Just like nr. 3 above, some airfields need some elevation correction, but this work was extend this work on all theater ...- This way the airfields will match realistic elevations, Many features around them need to be corrected so IAP charts will also match the surroundings elevations features. ...- Will also adjust countries main terrain features to the right/ real elevations ...- Under testing is the possibility to implement RWYs curvature. 5) Runway headings, surface markings and airbases type 5.1) Bring back fotorealistic RWY textures. ...- Yes, I know... Nikos request, but this subject should be US to determin how they should stay ...- This is a simulator, not reallity, so theres already many unrealistic detais. As BMS dev team used to say, compromises should be taken and the fotorealistic textures should be a must in POH! ...- Anyway, this required to revert TWR voices to match the RWY markings (whenever possible) 5.2) A few airbase RWY headings and even kind of airbase were incorrect. ...- Changed all AFB airfields to airbase kind (not airstripe kind) ...- Some airbase, could and should be implemented using different falcon stock headings options, much closer to IRL headings (even matching which side are the buildings and infra-structures) 6) Vortacs displacement 6.1) I want them as they exist in real LOW/HIGH ALTITUDE real charts, so some will disappear and others (many) will born ...- They were implemented as extra VORTACs, to mimic their position in the airfield or on the ground, where they exist IRL ...- So all fotorealistic airbases should/ can have their own antennas ...- Some of falcon stock also have their own ...- All other cases were implemented using stand alone objects (Vortacs), be it as terminal for the airbases, or enroute navigation beacons. ...- Rule for the terminal beacons was; if a nav beacon is closer to airfield than 3NM, use if possible an airbase integrated object, case else use of a Vortac object 7) Tacan channels and TWR freqs 7.1) Just like nr. 6, want them as much realistic as possible. ...- This item means a major overhaul to Stations+ILS.dat file ...- Used the following main rules to determine where to put realistic channles/freqs and where to use fake ones; 8) Camp Map and others 8.1) Many of changes above will require new Camp Map files ...- Made up new Camp Map. ...- Wanted to give this UI screen new colors, new aspect, new simbology and new life... 9) ATC sounds 9.1) New addition. Last days of developping this POH version, wanted to include this missing feature ...- Right now only a few PT airbases have this implemented but results are good, and process very easy, so was thinking in giving implementing this new feature. ...- Problema is (talking about BMS 4.33, don't know how is this "thing" in 4.34), there is only 46 ATC sound slots. First idea was to give ATC sounds to all fotorealistic airbases (27) and to some important other (25) airfields, starting from all AFBs, then NPAs, etc... 10) Folders structure ...- In order to implement the ATC sounds, noticed that POH were using a folder structure somewhat different from BMS standards. 10.1) So, managed to rebuild this structure to match BMS standars 10.1.1) - Art folder. Was doubled inside another "art" folder 10.1.2) - Theaterdefinitions folder. Was out of the Terradata Folder 10.1.3) - Sounds Folder (and Music Folder). Non existent. ...- All corrected!! Cheers.

Hey guys, Two years ago, RL issues made me do a complete halt about availability for falcon and POH following. But never forgot the project and the team here and in 201VFS. By that time have helped and commented alot for the best and realism out of POH project. Many things about the project were also put in the drawer waiting better and available times. Guess its time now to get back into work. As you may know, have disagree about many development details introduced in official version and because of that had the idea of development of a patch over POH, non-official and in the name of 201VFS. Will post here what we think it will benefit POH in realism seeking. A few of these changes, were to be implemented in a future POH version, others colide directly to Nikos work and i know that cannot be official under Joe's agreement. Anyway, this patch project will be detailed in our forums and generally posted here. This way maybe one day, my dream can also see the light and have POH much more realistic than now. Maybe the new BMS version will also push it towards the desired realism... Cheers yall.

Meanwhile, we have uploaded POH 0.8.0 to our FTP server. So, and as an alternative source, here our links; POH 0.8.0 Texture pack 0.9.0 Cheers.

WOW 3Balls. Congratulations my friend. Happyness and good health is my deep wish (extended from all 201VFS mates) to you and your beloved ones!! About Joe, ok, understood. Wish him best of luck in his family project!! About POH, also understood, and yes, beautifull theater indeed. But, big dreams never die! Its our turn to push it forward and we will do. 201VFS also slept a little nap (some of them, including me ), but now all bells are ringing and wake up time arrived for us. When all dust blown away and our Fs shining and screaming ready to go, we will show up here ringing some bells also. Cheers.